Armengol Lorand

• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] and [[jonathan-the-utopian]]

[[2021-02-14]]

• [[christopher alexander]]
  • [[reading alexander]]
    • [[ttwob]] is [[ideological]] / [[philosophical]]
    • [[apl]] is an [[implementation]]
  • [[armengol]]
    • first watched youtube video in [[palo alto]] about [[pattern languages]] in [[computing]]
    • [[fifteen principles]] (wikipedia)
      • shifting [[scales]] should be made without discontinuities/jumps.
        • [[twitter]]: small scale. a [[book]]: large scale.
        • how to translate ideas from [[book]] to [[tweet]]?
• how did we meet?
  • [[jonathan]] and [[me]]: [[visakanv]] list of friends per city
  • [[daniel]] and [[me]]: in [[foam]]'s [[discord]]
  • "we met through the internet"
    • is this a [[common experience]]?
      • [[me]] common around the 2000s
        • [[irc]]
        • [[icq]] "happy that chatting"
        • [[livejournal]]
      • [[jonathan-the-utopian]]
        • not really
      • [[daniel-armengol-altayo]]
• [[mathspace]] vs [[cyberspace]]
  • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] as of late, yes; would love to make something
    • interactions with technology are often frustrating though
    • [[daniel]] Q: which kinds of things would you like to build?
    • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] A: liked your sites btw :)
      • [[vewpoint]]
      • one minimal tool would like to have: take notes as a group
        • inclusivity: people shouldn't need to know [[git]] to onramp
        • [[daniel]] +1, we need people from outside the computer field
        • [[branch]] [[ampl]]
        • [[branch]] [[indieweb]] [[micropub]]
        • [[branch]] [[fedstoa]]
        • [[daniel]] how to connect both worlds?
        • "a system that allows itself to..."
    • [[open question]]
• definition of [[protopia]]
  • requires [[ethics]]
• [[core questions]] in [[mtr master konzept]]
  • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] this seems to be leading into vulnerability/psychological explorations
  • [[daniel]] is the key intent here to answer these questions for a small group or to develop a framework for other people?
    • both, but first the earlier :)
  • [[branch]] [[rational tarot]]
  • [[branch]] [[language games]]
  • [[branch]] [[wittgenstein]]
  • [[branch]] [[lyotard]]
  • [[branch]] update the [[proust questionnaire]]?
• [[jonathan-the-utopian]]: what is your background?
  • [[daniel-armengol-altayo]]
    • [[computers]] + [[design]] -> [[multimedia engineering]]
    • [[branch]] [[merveilles]] looks like a good fit
    • [[multitouch tablet]] experiment led to [[5 years]] doing [[interactive installations]]
    • became more interested in how people behaved than in the actual content of the screens/the technology
    • moved to [[art]], stopped doing commercial work, [[moved to the woods]]
      • "i want to inspire others in the same way these people are inspiring me"
    • conversations with [[xavivives]], who is more technical, led to a [[bootcamp]]
    • [[branch]] [[feedback club]]
• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] back at ya
  • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] grew up in [[california]]
    • [[swiss]] and [[us]] citizen, moved to [[switzerland]] at [[18]]
    • decided to study [[physics]], then felt the need to understand [[mathematics]] first.
    • bachelors + masters in math
    • burned out after that, atmosphere at university wasn't great
    • took [[1 year]] off
    • interested in [[social processes]]
      • [[branch]] [[santa fe institute]]
    • finally started a [[phd]] until [[february 2020]]
    • was in [[buenos aires]], dance [[tango]]
    • decided not to do a [[postdoc]], wanted to leave [[academia]]
    • applied to a program in [[zhdk]]: [[transdisciplinary studies]]
      • supposed to be connected to [[mathematical background]]
    • [[dream]] [[art space]] / [[event space]]
      • [[branch]] [[wormhole]]
      • [[branch]] [[simcity]]
• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] curious that what society understand by [[artist]] is: a person that is free to do whatever they want. [[art]] is perceived as a [[playground]].
  • personally don't want to use [[art]] as a [[goal]], but rather as a [[medium]] or [[means]] or [[channel]].
  • [[experiments]] as [[play]]
  • [[branch]] [[carnival]]
  • I like working with [[concepts]]
  • [[art]] as a [[lens]]
  • can a [[business]] be a piece of [[art]]?
    • there's non-zero overlap
  • [[branch]] [[dao]]
  • [[push]] [[artistic entrepeneurship]]
    • == [[art business]]
    • [[danielle baskin]]
• [[infrastructure]] we need
  • [[basic tools]] to share information in a better way
  • something close to a [[wiki]]
  • [[branch]] [[stoa]]
  • let's write [[user journeys]] and compare?
  • [[q]] what are our frustrations?
    • [[a]] [[jonathan-the-utopian]] would wish to have a place like discord/zulip, two level or arbitrary level tool
    • [[a]] [[digital space]] where we can write structured information
    • [[branch]] [[agora]] as a tool to get a [[communication instance]] with a given well defined [[context]]
      • [[armengolaltayo]] we need a [[representation]] of each [[entity]] in the context; an [[encoding]] or [[recording]]
• [[possible projects]]
  • [[physical]] [[spaces]] connected through the internet
  • [[interactive fiction]]
    • [[conversation trees]]
• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] main focus is understanding how information processing happens
  • say someone sends a [[link]], like the danielle baskin website
  • depending on the format, it is more or less useful
  • [[context]] is very important
  • [[context]] for a conversation is the [[intersect]] between [[world models]] after [[transformations]]
  • you can use [[tools]] to [[augment]] certain capacities
• [[spaces]]
  • [[armengolaltayo]] [[zettelkasten]]
    • each [[note]] has [[one idea]]
• [[goals]]
  • [[decisions]]
    • [[root node]]
      • it is in [[protopoi]]
    • [[chat room]]
  • a [[place to write notes]]

Armengolaltayo

• A [[person]].
  • [[twitter]] https://twitter.com/armengolaltayo
  • [[github]] https://github.com/danielarmengolaltayo
    • [[git]] [[github]]
  • [[go]] https://armengol-altayo.com/
  • [[pull]] [[armengol]]
  • Founder of [[vewpoint]].
  • Used to work on [[interplanetary mind map]].
  • Interested in the [[meta problem]]: https://github.com/vewpoint/meeting-point
    • "How do we collect and organize the information about how we collect and organize information when we do not have the tools we need to collect and organize information?"
  • Likely interested in [[agora]], [[agora go links integration]]: https://danielarmengolaltayo.github.io/hyperlink/capsules/unidirectionality-of-links.html, see also [[the hyperlink delusion]]. "As cybernetics would say, it is time to steer the ship, because “if you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading”. It is time to iterate the Web, and therefore, our relationship with it."

[[next]]

• transparencia radical
  • [[working in public]]
  • pros y cons

[[2023-03-11]]

• [[armengol]]
  • empezó un grado en filosofía!
  • en primer año

[[2021-12-18]]

• [[retina]]
  • [[mitm]]
  • [[snapshot]]
  • [[armengol]] dos aspectos:
    • saltearse capas
    • el uso o fin de la información
  • [[funes el memorioso]]
  • [[copyright]]
  • [[push]] [[everything is a remix]]
    • [[kirby ferguson]]
      • [[creatividad humana]]
        • [[copiamos]]
        • [[transformamos]]
        • [[combinamos]]
      • este proceso podría ser asistido
        • [[cyberiad]]
          • [[stanislaw lem]]
      • [[push]] [[sergio albiac]]
        • https://sergioalbiac.com
          • [[gan]] https://www.sergioalbiac.com/wall/latent-empathy.html
    • [[evolución]]
    • [[compensación]]
      • [[effective altruism]] -> [[embracing piracy]]
      • [[about unicorns in south america]]
• el argumento del [[teleportador]]
  • [[derek parfit]]
• [[matrix]]
• [[push]] [[copyright]]
  • I don't believe in copyright as it exists nowadays; definitely not for [[digital goods]].
  • [[mashups]]
• [[demonetization]]

[[2021-10-29]]

• de vuelta en [[barcelona]]!
  • pueblo / campo en contraste con la [[gran ciudad]]
  • convivencia
• [[dando clases]]
  • [[diseño]]: [[diseño crítico del comportamiento digital]]
    • quizás relevante, conocí hace poco a:
      • [[robert haisfield]]
      • [[generativist]]
    • un trimestre
    • observar comportamientos en el plano digital
      • gestos (ejemplo)
        • scroll infinito
      • comportamiento (ejemplo)
        • entrar de forma compulsiva en una red social
      • intención
        • rediseñar un comportamiento existente
    • [[project snapshot]] sería mi proyecto final (?)
• [[forzarse]] vs [[esforzarse]]
• [[agora]]
  • [[patterns]]
  • [[agora social media integration]]
    • backups vs [[integración]] / interlinking
    • [[meca]]
      • microinteracción
    • salto de integración al bien colectivo
• [[yoga]]

[[2021-05-08]]

• [[night person]] como arquetipo al que uno conforma
• estudió [[ingeniería multimedia]]
  • universidad técnica, carrera nueva
• [[asociados]]
• [[meditación]]
• [[slugs]] vs [[full unicode]] for filenames
  • ambas deberían ser soportadas
  • punto + radio (esfera) -- modo estricto (sólo punto) opcional
• [[obsidian]]
  • imágenes en [[obsidian]]
    • 

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  • [[armengol]] hasta ahora partiendo de que la unidad base es archivos .md (en [[foam]])
• [[fotonovela]]
• [[notas diarias]]
  • [[track]], a [[tool]]
    • [[metasj]]
      • this looks like an [[overlay]] in Samuel's terms
    • the [[agora]] could be a good backend (interlay?) for this if you're interested
    • time-defined nodes include other time-defined nodes with finer granularity
• [[agora]]
  • [[armengol]] parece un [[collage]]
  • cómo dejar afuera a los nazis
    • el caso [[urbit]]
    • si muchas personas observan a una persona y no parece nazi, la probabilidad de nazi baja?
    • [[armengol]] [[podcast]] de [[coinbase]]
      • asociando mérito con una identidad
      • [[prueba de trabajo]]
  • [[armengol]] objeciones a los conceptos de [[error]] y [[adversario]]
    • [[cooperador]]
    • el [[contrato]] define pautas de cooperación y de incompatibilidad
    • [[protocolo del ágora]]
    • [[schelling point]]
  • [[kolmogorov complexity]]
• [[push]] [[pointless]]
  • [[armengol]] [[propuesta artística]]
• [[greg egan]]
• [[nft]] + [[digital gardens]]
• [[flancia collective]]

[[2021-02-03]]

• [[miércoles libres]]
• [[vewpoint]]
  • [[estrategia]] de [[experimentación]]
  • Fue evolucionando. El sitio actual es una representación de [[intenciones personales]].
  • [[gestor]] de [[relaciones en internet]] entre piezas de [[información]]
    • [[generar una capa for encima]] -> [[metasj]] [[overlay]], [[underlay]], [[interlay]]
    • [[bookmarks]] -> [[karlicoss]] [[promnesia]], [[go links]], [[agora search]]
  • [[autoría]]
    • una propiedad que hay que contemplar en este espacio
    • [[propiedad intelectual]]
  • [[reificación]] de [[links]]
    • un link, entendido como un eje en un grafo, se puede convertir en un nodo.
  • [[agora]]
    • [[idea]] diferentes artistas contribuyendo piezas con un mismo título
      • [[I want to inspire others the same way that others inspire me]]
• [[hierarchy]] vs [[heterarchy]]
  • la estrategia correcta es de [[no imposición]]
  • relacionado con [[árboles de conversación]]
    • ver [[secuencialidad]]
  • [[subgrafos]]
    • [[árboles sintácticos]]
    • [[proposiciones lógicas]]
  • una jerarquía es un orden, quizás necesario para codificar algo en el tiempo
    • [[secuencialidad]] vs [[sincronía]]
• beneficios de la [[conversación]]
  • [[q]] [[rubber ducking]]
  • cómo [[generar conversaciones]]:
    • en un [[colectivo]]
    • con [[uno mismo]]
      • [[do]] [[share]] [[chat bot]]
• [[diseño de interfaz]]
  • una interfaz que se adapta al usuario
  • [[lista]] -> [[árbol]] -> [[grafo]]
• the [[hyperlink delusion]]
  • la forma en la que se plantea el link actualmente no es la forma en la que se concibió inicialmente
  • al hyperlink actual le falta simetría
• [[marx]]
  • [[true colours]]
  • [[comunismo digital]]
  • [[materialidad]] y su influencia en la historia
    • [[computación]]
      • [[optimización]]: es muy importante en ciertos momentos y para ciertos formatos (cuando uno está cerca del límite de lo disponible), no tanto en otros.
      • Ejemplo: ahora podemos llevar todo nuestro footprint digital encima, varias copias.
• [[personas]]
  • [[bmann]]
    • [[indieweb]]
      • [[web mentions]]
  • [[jonathan the utopian]]
  • [[karlicoss]]
  • [[metasj]]
  • [[xavivives]]
  • [[codex]]
  • [[dyokomizo]]
• [[fediverse]]
  • [[activitypub]]
• [[semantic web]]
  • [[rdf]]
  • [[fedwiki]]
  • [[armengol]] punto de vista: es un enfoque [[jerárquico]]? definir estándares primero y después imponerlos.
    • la categorización como requerimiento
    • la toma de notas personales es un punto medio
• un [[wikilink]] es un [[nombre]]
  • [[naranja]]
  • una [[entidad]]
  • un [[contexto]]
  • [[armengolaltayo]] pero hay notas cuyo contenido es dinámico, por lo que no es natural que tengan un wikilink estático
  • [[pull]] es transclusión
• [[agora actions]]
  • son como extensiones de [[vscode]]
  • [[marketplace]]
  • [[cheap]]
  • [[planetary mind]] y [[agora protocol]]
    • [[interplanetary mindmap]]
    • [[programación visual]]
      • Intención: sumar dos inputs y crear una nota con el resultado.
      • Parece un [[marketplace]] de nuevo.
      • [[waterparties]]

[[2021-01-20]]

• Terrible [[hiato]]. Mi responsabilidad.
• Por [[telegram]].
• Colaboración -- de lo [[colectivo]] a lo [[individual]].
  • [[bots]] de integración entre chat/redes sociales y el [[agora]]
  • [[push]] [[stoa]]
    • [[repositorios compartidos]]
    • [[hackmd]]
    • [[chat]] por nodo
  • [[push]] [[dendron]]
    • [[estructura jerárquica]] :(
      • Daniel no está de acuerdo.
      • Es una decisión impuesta; es una perspectiva válida pero elimina muchas posibilidades.
      • Yo estoy de acuerdo con Daniel a priori (no lo usé)
        • Interesante sin embargo por [[the hyperlink delusion]]
    • paralelo: [[metáfora del escritorio]] en computadoras personales
      • útil en su momento
      • pero limita el tipo de organización posible. ejemplo: un archivo es un objeto físico dentro de la metáfora, por lo que sólo puede estar en un solo lugar a la vez.
    • En oposición con [[dendron]], [[foam]] o cualquier wiki no estructurado se basa en punteros en cualquier dirección y a cualquier nivel.
    • [[heterarchy]]
• [[startupy]]
• [[wefindx]]
  • [[0oo.li]]
• Relaciones con la información
  • sincronicidad y asincronicidad
  • comunidades pequeñas y grandes
  • [[fomo]]
  • [[resets]]
    • interesante porque esto es como una sincronicidad diferida, yo sentí exactamente lo mismo.
  • [[topic]] [[systems to manage information overload]] and [[onboard]] or [[offboard]] from conversations
    • [[summaries]]
    • [[conversation trees]]
    • [[platonic dialogue]]
  • experiencia: cenas con amigos con un tema que articulaba la conversación.
    • el tema usualmente era un [[proyecto]] presentado por alguien.
    • el [[feedback]] del grupo representaba valor para el presentador por defecto, lo que hacía que el proyecto fuera divertido.
  • [[topic]] cuál es la dinámica deseada para las conversaciones en el [[agora]]?

[[2020-12-05]]

• Por [[telegram]].
• Traducción de nodos. Operaciones entre nodos; reminiscente de entornos para programación visual.
  • -> [[ethan-plante]] -> [[gtoolkit]]
• Enfoque que prioriza el uso individual.
  • Daniel también piensa que conviene apostar por propuestas que construyen socialmente sobre una base individual que ya aporta utilidad.
• [[Markdown]] como formato
  • Block references
  • Daniel piensa en un archivo de Markdown por bloque
  • Transclusiones permiten consolidar en textos más largos
  • -> [[dendron]]
• Sobre la moralidad de incluir jardines de alrededor de internet si la licencia es compatible
  • Si la intención de compartir/ser abierto es explícita no parece problemático
  • Pero parece más valioso usar los repositorios para acercarse a esa gente, que podría estar interesada
  • Módulos de traducción (como [[roam2agora]]) deberían ser programados por cualquier usuario
    • -> [[agora protocol]]
    • -> [[entity mapping]]

[[2020-11-28]]

• Background:
  • [[diseño]]
  • [[instalaciones interactivas]]
  • [[programación]] [[bajo nivel]]
  • [[publicidad]]
  • [[arte]]
• [[2018]] punto de quiebre: realización sobre cómo el diseño de las tecnonologías que usamos día a día tiene una carga ideológica e impacto en la sociedad.
  • Uno no diseña sólo dispositivos o interfaces, sino comportamientos.
  • Q: Tristan Harris. Valoración?
  • A: Vector. Parte mediática es 10. La narrativa de "social dilemma" se basa en la distopia, busca generar miedo. Las respuestas a "qué podemos hacer" son triviales o vacuas.
  • Propuesta: un sistema de ruteo que lleva a la gente de "quiero hacer algo al respecto" a "esta es una lista de cosas que podés hacer dados tus recursos y características".
• Uno de los temas que más le interesan: cómo describir un sistema de influencias.
  • Modelo: inputs, processing, outputs.
  • En modelos colectivos, input-output es social en un ciclo de influencias mutuas.
  • Q: memes.
  • Q: espacios.
  • Manipulación de influencias: redirección de inputs/outputs con entendimiento del sistema.
  • Q: ética pública.
  • El punto de quiebre tuvo que ver con esto.
  • En común: visión utópica. Pero el resultado puede ser negativo para otros aunque la intención sea positiva.
  • Q: figura de Sócrates.
  • Q: Jonathan.
• Branch: governancia
  • [[xavivives]] trabaja en un proyecto: [[vocdoni]]. Un sistema de votación decentralizada.
  • Q: [[exuo]]
• [[Agora]]
  • [[vewpoint]]: [[mind map]] + [[world model]].
    • Realidad privada y realidad compartida.
    • Q: [[hypothes.is]]
    • Universos paralelos. Todos los grafos existen en planos paralelos; interactúan a través de actos comunicativos trasversales.
    • Podría buscarse la centralización, consenso. Pero esto genera fragmentación.
    • El individuo es el caso base.
    • Q: [[digital garden]] vs [[stoa]] vs [[agora]]
  • Explícito vs implícito
    • Lo implícito está optimizado para contextos físicos, tradicionales.
    • Q: anti-polarización.
    • Escala de valores explícita.
    • Q: ética abierta.
• Falta cohesión en muchos proyectos porque no está la base ética abierta.
  • Q: Protocolo.
  • El problema de la coordinación.
• [[origin story]] relacionado con [[sapiens]].
• [[money]]
• [[the expanding circle]].
• improve [[effective altruism]] node.
• La tecnología es un multiplicador; amplifica nuestro potencial.
• Cómo conectar con las personas adecuadas, generar interés, masa crítica?
  • Qué generó la atracción a [[roam research]]?
  • Cuál es la ventaja?
  • [[agora protocol]]
• [[Agora]] strategy
  • Una: atacar un nicho, gente que está interesada en [[knowledge graph]]s.
  • Otra: público más general.
  • Q: Bootstrap?
    • Nodos de comentario sobre cualquier URL.
    • Acciones.
    • [[wikilink]]s en todos lados.
  • Ejemplo: [[tiktok]]. Poder utilizar la música de un cantante popular. Esa pieza de funcionalidad atrae público.
  • En [[vewpoint]]: [[the-hyperlink-delusion]]. Si entendemos la web como piezas de información que están conectadas entre ellas.
  • [[wikilink]] + [[bidirectional links]]
  • Q: [[hypothes.is]]
  • [[vewpoint]]: sabía que había que colaborar con la web existente. Cuando uno twittea, una extensión podría indexar ese tweet en una red externa. Y los go links podrían agregar un nivel de indirección en el otro sentido.

Offline

• Ver [[telegram]].

• A [[person]].
  • My [[self]] :).
  • in the [[Agora]].
  • #go https://flancia.org pull
  • #git https://gitlab.com/flancian/flancian
    • #gitlab https://gitlab.com/flancian
    • #github https://github.com/flancian
    • [[matrix]] @flancian:matrix.org
    • [[twitter]] https://twitter.com/flancian
    • [[fediverse]] https://social.coop/@flancian
    • [[email]] 0@flancia.org
    • [[calendly]] https://calendly.com/flancian
    • [[agora]] https://anagora.org pull
      • [[garden]] https://github.com/flancian/garden
      • [[agora server]]
      • [[agora bridge]]
    • [[mastodon]]
      • [[social.coop]] https://social.coop/@flancian
      • [[merveilles]] https://merveilles.town/@flaneur
    • [[telegram]] @Flancian
    • [[tiktok]] https://tiktok.com/@flancian
    • [[ctzn]] https://ctznry.com/flancian@ctzn.one
    • [[anar.chi.st]] https://anar.chi.st/Flancian
    • [[chess]] https://chess.com/member/flancian
    • [[urbit]] danfen-socsum (unavailable for now, see note for more)
    • A [[Buddhist]].
      • I try to dedicate myself [[for the benefit of all beings]].
    • I also identify as a [[humanist]], [[rational]], [[liberal]], [[naturalist]], [[scientist]].
      • (I prefer to [[deconstruct]] these and other [[cluster identities]] whenever it is feasible, though.)
      • The [[Agora]] is an [[experimental social network]] in which I try to express my integrated identity.
    • I practice [[open source]] and [[open ethics]] as much as I can.
      • This [[agora]] is, and will always be, [[free]] and [[open source]].
      • I try to follow an explicit personal social [[contract]] that extends and complements that of the [[agora]].
      • I try to be open with my way of living as it has an [[ethical impact]]. This includes being open about how I spend my [[time]] and [[money]].
      • I work for [[Google]] as a [[site reliability engineer]].
      • I was born in [[Argentina]], I live in [[Switzerland]].
      • I practice [[effective altruism]].
      • I am a member of [[social.coop]].
      • I consider myself a [[municipalist]].
    • In my [[free time]] I practice [[protopian thinking]]; I am an [[amateur utopian]].
      • [[Utopias]] are a genre of [[literature]] which I'm interested in.
      • A [[protopia]] is an incremental [[utopia]].
      • I call my [[protopia]] (our [[protopia]]!) [[Flancia]], but the name isn't important.
      • I am a Flancian and this [[agora]] contains my [[manifesto]].
      • I intend to bring facets of [[Flancia]] into the real world, only as far as they also benefit others, without unilaterally imposing my will.
        • [[flancia collective]]
      • I'm trying to build an [[Agora]].
        • There are many [[Agoras]]. This Agora is just [[an agora]].
    • https://twitter.com/flancian/status/1349070105402105856 pull
    • https://twitter.com/flancian/status/1254149494209499138 pull

Flancian is the guy behind [[Agora]].

=> https://flancia.org pull

Ahoy there!

I'm [[flancian]], meaning [[https://anagora.org/flancian]] pull.

I'm happy to be here!

• @flancian@social.coop

Flancian

A cool [[person]] on [[Mastodon]] and [[Agora]]. https://social.coop/web/accounts/220555

Flancian

Flancian

• A [[person]].
• The creator and maintainer of their [[Agora]].

[https://anagora.org/flancian pull flancian in the agora]

//anagora.org/flancian

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frame of flancian's agora page

• Pretty cool person
• #twitter https://twitter.com/flancian
• #mastodon https://social.coop/@flancian

#protopian #anarchist

[[2021-06-23]]

Jonathan the Utopian

• A [[person]].
• [[swiss]] [[mathematician]].
  • [[category theory]]
• [[go]] lorand.earth
• [[twitter]] https://twitter.com/l_o_r_a_n_d
• [[gluten-free]], not into [[dairy]].
• Found and pointed out [[Smart Agora]]: https://coss.ethz.ch/research/pastprojects/SmartAgora.html
• [[project]] [[utopoi]]: http://lorand.earth/utopoi/about/
• [[project]] https://applied-compositional-thinking.engineering/

[[2021-05-15]]

• proposal
  • 5 minutes each at the beginning giving a summary of how we're doing
  • 5 minutes to plan how we'll use the rest of the time, total 1h
• [[lorand]]
  • feeling tired today, but working at home all day. under [[time pressure]].
  • learning a subject to prepare a lecture on it.
    • [[q]] which subject?
    • [[q]] is it ok to write this here?
  • readings for the masters are nice but intensive
  • zoom calls yesterday heavy: 3h in the morning, 3h in the afternoon
  • spent some time with colleagues in the evening, not many chances to socialize
  • signed up for a workshop in [[france]]
    • [[q]] which topic?
  • looking forward to [[june]]
    • would like to get back in touch with project
    • hesitant to see people yet though
    • trying to focus on diet and sport
    • digital note taking, would like to set up a digital garden plus rendering beyond obsidian
      • personal data housekeeping: [[promnesia]]
• [[topics]]
  • [[promnesia]] 1 min
  • [[a pattern language for protopian processes]] 10 minutes
    • [[pattern repository]]
    • languages that can serve as [[bridges]] between different [[types]] of [[people]
  • [[agora protocol]] 5 minutes
    • [[side channels]]
  • [[bmann]]
  • [[personal]]
• [[flancia collective]]

[[2021-03-21]]

• [[motivation]]
  • unstability -> not feeling at home, not identifying with work
• [[getting old]]
• [[happy birthday]]
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth pull
• https://tel.search.ch/zuerich/uraniastrasse-11/urs-federspiel-2
• urs federspiel
• https://www.berlinerfestspiele.de/en/berliner-festspiele/programm/bfs-gesamtprogramm/programmdetail_338325.html

[[2021-02-28]]

• [[presentation]] [[mtr master konzept v2021 02 21]]
  • Want feedback on their impressions. Which images, thoughts they receive when the presentation takes place.
  • Any red flags/warnings/concerns we should think about?
  • Suggestions, materials, ideas that could help.
• [[run 0]]
  • project is called [[protopoi]]; a working title.
  • "it feels different to discuss" -- perhaps discuss should have a direct object? it takes only indirect objects/qualifiers here.
  • [[protopian questions]]
    • what are visions of what I want or wish for?
    • what are possibilities that I can imagine, for the near future or the present?
    • what factors condition and inform my relationship to these questions?
    • what are processes by which I can shape my interaction with these questions?
    • in which ways can contrsuctive and collaborative first steps grow out of such processes?
  • [[what I want to do]]
    • this slide went over a bit fast?
    • [[workshop formats]]
    • [[pattern language]]
  • [[wishes and interests]]
    • perhaps start with 'with' and then do 'without'?
      • without
        • 'being overwhelmed' -> 'overwhelming'? it should match disengaging/disengaged
        • limits of our knowledge
        • 'bothers me' -> can bother people?
      • with
        • it would be interesting to insert "flash forwards" here: say which of these topics you'll expound on later in the presentation, which ones you intend to cover within your project later
        • systemic organization: nice.
    • [[complex topics]]
      • nice
      • went a bit fast as a slide
      • how to generate a list of this type?
    • pluralistic conception of protopia
      • this slide seems a bit "flat"; it could be more tree-shaped perhaps?
      • why is pluralistic separated from the rest by whitespace? unclear
      • [[meaningful]] seems like it's important and could be more stressed
    • [[beyond a discursive approach]]
      • too many slides titled "wishes and interests". "beyond a discursive approach" could be the title of this one?
      • [[aside]] do you know [[keith johnstone]] / [[impro]]?
    • [[forms and shapes for social processes]]
      • [[shapes are formed by social agreements and structural constraints]] could be at the top?
    • [[push]] [[bohmian dialogue]] framework
      • distinction between [[discussion]] and [[dialogue]]
      • [[be brief]]
      • [[speak from the heart]]
      • [[listen as you'd like to be listened to]]
    • [[push]] [[pattern languages]]
      • a design methodology which identifies and abstracts elementary design problems, along with possible solutions for them, and assembles them into a sort of alphabet to be used as a toolbook
      • example: [[group works]]
        • for [[facilitators]] and other participants
        • is this [[free]]?
      • example: [[a pattern language]]
    • [[loose pieces]]
      • thoughts and open questions
      • [[poetics]] [[spoken word]]
      • [[theater]]
      • [[role playing]]
      • [[tools]] [[wiki]]
      • other [[projects]]
        • locally [[ifkd]] [[dezentrum]] [[park platz]] [[urban equipe]]
        • online [[protopoi network]]
      • [[aside]] this is another slide that could benefit from a bit more structure.
    • [[push]] [[protopoi]]
      • [[questions]]
        • how does success look like?
        • how can we measure it or evaluate it?
        • how to distinguish between something that effects positive change vs something that reinforces problems?
        • what are ways that protopian processes could translate into actions / changes?
        • what are the tools we can use?
• overall
  • there could have been a bit more meta: go over the structure of the presentation in 30s-60s at the beginning, so the audience knows what to expect.

[[2021-02-20]]

• [[jitsi meet]]
• [[map of the fediverse]]
• [[security through obscurity]]
• which modeling problems you get excited about?
  • [[flancian]] anything [[graphs]] perhaps :)
  • [[jonathan]] technical problem solving mode is just one mode, but tend to gravitate to higher levels of abstraction
• how do you [[pitch]] your project to people?
  • [[jonathan]] usually say a couple of key concepts: applied utopia, protopia, protopoi
  • [[q]] do you have an umbrella term when you think about it?
    • is it "my master's project"
• [[a pattern language for protopian processes]]
  • comment from a friend: it might be wrong metodologically to 'fix' the tool to be a pattern language at this stage, there are many kinds of language
• how to organize [[todo]].
• test [[annotation failover]]
• decide file/note hosting

[[2021-02-17]]

• Enjoying the week off!
• [[universal basic income]]
• [[coordination]]
  • [[upload]] new files
    • done!
  • fill [[doodle]]
    • done!
  • solve file/note hosting
    • check with [[bmann]]
    • discuss again on sat
• [[personal life]]
• [[arcades project]]

[[2021-02-06]]

• [[beautiful light]] today, perhaps because of the [[sand storm]]
• [[day job]] is looking better -- [[course]] sessions over!
  • [[goal]] was to show what [[category theory]] could do for [[engineering]]
    • it was a [[pilot]]
    • made a [[feedback form]]
  • [[two weeks off]]!
    • [[protopoi space]]
    • [[christopher alexander reading group]]
    • [[writing assignment]]
  • [[internalized capitalism]]
    • how many days really-off per week?
    • taking one full day off a week seems
• [[graphical calculus]] / [[string diagrams]] in [[category theory]]
• [[people]]
  • [[metasj]]
    • [[knowledge futures project]]
  • [[eugenia cheng]]
  • [[bmann]]
  • [[karlicoss]]
• [[protopoi]]
  • [[next steps]]
• [[stoa]]
  • [[stoa nodes]]
  • [[two ways to collaborate]]
    • do they [[converge]]?
• [[group activities]]
• [[protopoi org]]
  • could be [[graph first]], more [[visual]], hopefully [[beautiful]]
  • https://ninaemge.branching.ch
  • https://kasparkoenig.com/
  • https://branching.ch/

[[2021-01-23]]

• Greetings!
  • Helping a friend move today.
• Working hard on setting up the curriculum for the course at [[ETH]]
  • [[chestertons fence]]
• [[jonathan]] want to start building a website: [[protopoi space]]
  • [[requirements]]
  • [[domain]]
    • [[jonathan]] [[protopoi.space]]
    • [[flancian]] [[protopoi.org]] [[protopoi.com]] perhaps [[protopoi.coop]]
• [[ideas]]
  • [[jonathan]] [[platform]], [[place]] where one can link to different projects. [[root node]] for [[art school]] [[project]].
    • Building [[spaces]].
    • [[pattern languaguages]].
  • [[flancian]] a [[root node]] for all [[protopias]] everywhere :)
  • what is [[protopoi]]?
    • [[flancian]] the [[space]] of all [[protopias]]?
      • an [[index]]
    • [[jonathan]] a [[vision]] of how the [[world]] could be?
      • a [[space]] in the sense of a [[container]] and [[home]] for [[events]] and [[experiments]] which test certain kinds of [[processes]] that are about questioning the [[status quo]] and exploring how to change it incrementally and constructively
        • questioning the status quo can be an [[introspective]], [[meditative]] activity
  • [[jonathan]] the [[project]] is focused on a [[process]] for imagining and exploring [[protopoi]]
  • a [[repository]] of [[projects]] following a theme or vision.
• [[borges]]
• [[introductions]]
  • [[anirudh badri]]
    • in [[india]]
    • affinity: [[book club]]
  • [[armengolaltayo]]
    • in [[spain]]
    • affinity: [[art]]
  • [[bmann]]
    • in [[canada]]
• [[push]] [[christopher alexander reading group]]
  • [[quote]] We will read from some works of the architect and design theorist Christopher Alexander, with the aim of getting to know the ideas and philosophy associated with the influential book "A pattern language". The term "pattern language" describes an approach to (architectural) design which identifies and abstracts elementary yet ubiquitous design problems, along with solutions for them, and assembles them into a sort of alphabet to be used as a toolbox.
  • [[quote]] This methodology is embedded in a design philosophy which attempts to put humans' needs, desires, and "aliveness" at the center of the design process. Although coming from architecture and urban design, Christopher Alexander's work has aspects which are of a very general, conceptual nature. It has been an influence in other fields, such as software design and music, and perhaps this module can be an opportunity to explore possible inspirations within one's own disciplinary context.
  • [[quote]] Proposed readings: excerpts from the following books by Christopher Alexander: "Notes on the Synthesis of Form"; "The Timeless Way of Building"; "A Pattern Language". Possibly also additional materials.
  • [[the timeless way of building]]
  • [[a pattern language]]
  • [[notes on the synthesis of form]]
• [[feedback]] on [[priorities]] with [[agora feature request]] and [[agora plan]]
  • [[chat]] per [[node]] plus [[multiple fanout]]
  • [[flancian]] I should get a blackboard

[[2021-01-01]]

• Super cool that you have a blackboard in your room!
• VC is very inclusive and we can always have this, no matter where we live.
• What have you been working on?
  • [[jonathan]] working a lot on the online course at [[eth]]. Sort of managing the project almost.
    • [[flancian]] do you feel like you are learning at the day job?
    • yep. Experimenting with new mediums for [[online teaching]].
    • [[category theory for engineers]]
      • [[flancian]] related to [[category theory for programmers]]?
      • Different target audience: these are engineers in the sense of mechanical engineering, aerospace. Less direct mappings here.
      • Main applicational framework: [[complex systems]] + [[modeling]], [[design]], [[optimization]].
• [[world models]]
• [[utopoi]]
• [[projections]]
  • [[flancian]] does the word make sense?
  • [[jonathan]] yes. but [[filtering]] may be less confusing.
• [[agora]]
  • [[users]]
  • [[groups]]
    • node [[bourbaki]]
  • [[stoas]]
• [[pivoting]]
  • [[push]] [[braiding]]
    • something is [[symmetric]] if [[braiding twice is identity]]
    • [[braid]] [[hofstadter]]
  • [[twist]]
• [[agora]] for [[utopia]]
  • [[missing devices]]
  • [[utopoi]]
    • [[flancian]] set of [[m prime]]
      • [[jonathan]] mathematical + computational approach to the world
        • on the one hand it seems it will always miss something, as life is so rich
        • on the other hand it seems it could be valuable
        • at the beginning it seems it could be unpractical, but looking around similar approaches are around
        • it is very costly to input lots of information, and it requires a lot of time
      • [[flancian]] note that the value/cost function is undefined; this is a procedure to find paths/tunnels
  • [[utopoi]]
    • [[jonathan]] a project that wants to build channels with related projects, one of this is this repository; but it is not exactly the same.
    • [[repository]] sounds static, whereas the [[m prime]] approach sounds more like a [[machine]].
    • [[jonathan]] [[noded]] [[utopia studies]]
    • [[flancian]] I liked [[topiary]]
• [[focus]]
• [[robin krom]]
  • [[jonathan]] thinks [[robin krom]] could be interested; related to [[category theory]], [[smart contracts]], [[financial markets]], [[liquid democracy]].
• [[reading group]]
• [[bug report]] [[agora plan]] https://anagora.org/node/reading-goup---christopher-alexander pull renders badly

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[[2020-12-18]]

• Jonathan thinks [[utopoi]] is not persistent; it will live for a while and then die, like an organism. But this applies mostly to the physical part; the digital part might endure.
• Knowing it has an end date actually feels nice.
• [[wittgenstein]]
  • likes that he critized his own work -- I agree.
  • part of his later work is about [[deconstructing]] his earlier work.

[[2020-12-12]]

• "philosophy is the art of making questions enjoyable"
• pros/cons
• "feeling like a mashed potato"
• work is getting stressful due to an online course coming up in January.

[[2020-12-11]]

• [[book]] [[asado verbal]]
  • "Mit Texten von [[Lucía Puenzo]], [[Pedro Mairal]], [[Washington Cucurto]], [[Fabián Casas]], [[Mariana Enríquez]], [[Cecilia Pavón]], [[Juan Diego Incardona]], [[Ariel Magnus]],[[Julia Coria]], [[Felix Bruzzone]],[[Romina Paula]], [[Edgardo Gonzalez Amer]], [[Oliverio Coelho]], [[Carlos Blasco]] und [[Andi Nachon]]."