📚 node [[reading alexander]]
Reading Alexander
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a [[book club]]
- [[pull]] [[patterning]]
[[2021-05-26]]
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I read what we agreed to read :)
- [[patterns]]
- [[pattern chosen]]
- proposal: design a space following the example in the introductory material? 10-20 patterns combined.
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[[andreas]]
- would probably recommend people just go to [[a pattern language]] directly, it seems to be self-contained
- did something with [[a pattern language]] ~1y ago
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it just seems like previous reading wouldn't help learning how to write your own patterns?
- [[jonathan]] what would you recommend?
- the ideological component sometimes doesn't resonate; the patterns themselves, which can be used and changed regardless of ideology, seem more generally useful.
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[[simon]] this is framed as one big project (the three books). what's interesting: there is some goal of trying to provide a set of tools to shape one's environment.
- [[notsof]] could almost be computed by a machine
- whereas [[apl]] is very much grounded
- topic: what is [[timeless]] and [[beautiful]]. how the environment shapes us as much as we shape the environment.
- the weakest patterns are the strongly [[utilitarian]]. the stronger ones are "spiritual"
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some contradictions between patterns
- he loves dense cities and lively areas
- but he wants height limits and only building on 50% of the area
- units per building
- in a contemporary context a lot of the patterns are very difficult to achieve
- aside: would be interesting to model fit/misfit between patterns even as we swap in/out some of them
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pattern: [[filtered light]]
- mentions how the perception of light gets softened if it's filtered; less high contrast, which is a nice quality. for living spaces softness is nice.
- film makers think it makes objects more lively: e.g. leaves casting moving shadows.
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third reason: speculative. stimulates us biologically (?)
- could be socialized aesthetics instead.
- when planning windows, this pattern is recommended.
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[[armengol]]
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pattern: [[window place]]
- thought about this pattern within his home
- previous place had an obviously amazing view -- you could see the [[sagrada familia]]
- [[zen view]] is mentioned as related to this pattern, though, and it relates with something interesting that happened in the old place. the view was [[normalized]]. it became part of the background; like alexander says.
- now have to go to a specific place to look at a view now.
- [[q]] when trying to differentiate between the list of patterns
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pattern: [[window place]]
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[[jonathan]]
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[[four stories limit]]
- ideology aside: main thing that bothered me in general. trying to justify things as [[natural]].
- "want to find a pattern that looks ridiculous"
- in zurich: like [[hardau]] towers
- some justification for this pattern has to do with mental health issues
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people who live in high rises are less likely to go out into the world
- [[sky bridges]]
- feeling connected to the city life
- [[andreas]] it seems very opinionated, it depends on one's preferences. you might not care about the misfits and have fits with your lifestyle.
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[[simon]] four floors doesn't seem high density enough for city life. attitude towards skyrises changes a lot across cultures. singapore for example has a very different disposition towards them.
- most sustainable density is about six floors.
- the most antisocial aspect of high rises is to have parking-lot-to-living-floor.
- isolation in high rises is a big problem though.
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[[andreas]] there is a huge grey area between four floors and high rises
- zurich proposed having public rooftops and bike lanes between them
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[[four stories limit]]
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[[simon]]
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[[bus stop]]
- liked: both describing a set of objects and activity/life that emerges around those objects
- "if the knit together" the system is a good one
- view things like traffic lights as items of public living
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[[bus stop]]
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[[alice]]
- [[interior windows]]
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[[pedestrian street]]
- social glue in society
- streets that are "too wide" are antisocial -- but of course nowadays with covid-19 that might be outdated
- [[eduardo]]
[[2021-05-12]]
- [[ttwob]]
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[[lorand]]
- found himself reading in a less analytical way
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[[armengol]]
- the structure itself seems to encourage this
- "I need to read it fast" yields a different kind of reading too, perhaps
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[[lorand]] some pieces seem to be a bit rough. but interesting questions
- the observation that people feel calm in nature -> homogeneity in aesthetics
- ad hoc/rushed at the end: processes for using patterns for differentiation of space. differentiation vs accumulation
- some vagueness
- a bit tragic perhaps: towards the end, neighbors working together to make their houses beautiful. seemed a bit utopian in a modernist sense.
- a [[pattern]] has a [[context]], a [[problem]] and a [[solution]] that resolves the set of conflicting forces.
- embodiment as crucial vs the software patterns
- [[kowloon walled city]]
- [[tokyo 1960]]
- [[wabi sabi]]
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[[lorand]]
[[april]]
[[2021-03-17]]
- [[ttwob]]
[[2021-02-28]]
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[[participants]]
- [[jonathan]]
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[[alice]]
- [[architecture]]!
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[[andreas]]
- [[mtr]] [[graphic design]]
- [[urban spaces]]
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[[simon]]
- [[architecture]]!
- [[netherlands]]
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[[ekin]]
- [[mtr]] [[design]] [[visual arts]]
- interested in [[mapping]]!
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[[daniel]]
- [[graphic design]], [[artistic practice]]
- designed [[physical spaces]]
- interested in translation between disciplines
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[[eduardo]]
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[[note taking]] ok?
- yes for now :)
- background: comp sci + linguistics
- cooperative/group projects, mapping, modelling and abstraction, translation
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[[note taking]] ok?
- [[katherine]]
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patterning
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a [[book club]]
- [[go]] https://lorand.earth/patterning/
- [[pull]] [[reading alexander]] [[christopher-alexander-reading-group]]
- [[git]] https://github.com/JonathanLorand/patterning
- [[stoa]] [[git]]
- [[pull]] [[notes on the synthesis of form]] [[notsof]]
- [[pull]] [[a pattern language]] [[apl]]
- [[pull]] [[the timeless way of building]] [[ttwob]]
- [[initial meeting]] in late [[february 2020]]
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[[personal]] and [[group]] note taking
- using [[hypothes.is]]
- using [[etherpad]]
- [[git stoa]]
- [[dropbox]] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5rf0aq0hky456nz/AAAZi2LtJBWxHr7t-pFmuk-Pa?dl=0
[[2021-08-01]]
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[[lorand]]
- tension between writing something understandable for everyone and going deep
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thing with the lightbulbs ended up attracting a lot of attention
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aside
- [[flancian]] it feels like a high dimensional celullar automata
- [[systems theory]], kept wondering about whether people knew about it
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aside
- the other "leg" is chapter 15, using feelings.
- ultimately would love to have some text that has a couple of the ideas that were interesting, drilling down on those.
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[[simon]]
- interaction between the environment and people
- there is something in the environment, in the object themselves, which encodes ways of behaviour
- [[ezra klein podcast]] and the extended mind
- you can divorce the form/pattern, reuse it in different ways
- a pattern language is a collection of forms
- extended mind -> a way of getting around the 'problem' of feeling
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in architecture we're always looking at plans
- you can take the form of a plan, take it into a different context and use it in a different way
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[[lorand]] love the list of paradoxes
- +1
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when you went back to the toy model, did you understand it better?
- got incremental understanding
- didn't go all the way into convincing myself with the actual mathematical proof
- [[flancian]] [[celullar automata]], [[game of life]]
- [[lorand]] [[entropy and diversity]]
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[[homeostasis]]
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[[flancian]] key word
- a failing proposition :)
- aided by [[modular approach]]
- [[simon]] top down and bottom up approaches, which seem to map to selfconscious and unselfconscious in [[notsof]]
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[[flancian]] key word
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[[simon]] often work with planning laws, which interact with data variables (traffic, rate of light, etc.).
- there is also a decisive factor: the qualities you want in the building you are trying to build.
- [[flancian]] how do you think about the time variable in architecture? aging in buildings, entropy :)
- you begin a project with a long list of requirements that you have to meet -- but those are day one. unclear how they will evolve over the years.
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[[modularity aids upgradability]] in information theory
- are building upgrades modular?
- [[simon]] 60s-70s: yes. but that failed :) see capsule hotel, which remained unchanged because people liked it how it was.
- but often it's the older building stock that is easiest to upgrade -- you can tear down walls and build new walls easily.
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are there typical reasons that projects fail?
- bad context: buildings placed in the wrong place/without the right support
- buildings that are built with a very specific use, e.g. a fashion center when the fashion industry is moving away
- hard to adapt office to residential and residential to office
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are there any projects that are designed to have a short timespan, or need continuous updating?
- classic project by [[alejandro aravena]]: https://www.archdaily.com/797779/half-a-house-builds-a-whole-community-elementals-controversial-social-housing
- it's hard to know the needs of the future, so he built half a house and left the other half up to the user
- [[japanese]] architecture doesn't value longevity the same way
- [[requirements elicitation]]
- Q: would patterns of pattern connectivity be interesting?
[[2021-07-11]]
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[[armengol]] [[lorand]] [[simon]] [[flancian]]
- [[flancian]] proposal: meet a few more times but perhaps more spaced out?
- [[simon]] sounds good. july works for me.
- [[lorand]] summer sounds more certain than fall; unclear what commitments will be like in fall.
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[[armengol]] uncertainty about august.
- interested in summarizing the experience, some meta.
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could explore:
- writing something together/individually
📖 stoas
- public document at doc.anagora.org/reading-alexander
- video call at meet.jit.si/reading-alexander
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a pattern language
abstract
alice
andreas
apl
april
architecture
armengol
artist
artistic practice
beautiful
book club
bus stop
code
concrete
context
daniel
design
eduardo
ekin
filtered light
four stories limit
graphic design
hardau
independent regions
interior windows
jonathan
katherine
kowloon walled city
london
lorand
mapping
mtr
natural
netherlands
normalized
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pedestrian street
physical spaces
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procedure
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q
sagrada familia
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