Armengol Lorand

• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] and [[jonathan-the-utopian]]

[[2021-02-14]]

• [[christopher alexander]]
  • [[reading alexander]]
    • [[ttwob]] is [[ideological]] / [[philosophical]]
    • [[apl]] is an [[implementation]]
  • [[armengol]]
    • first watched youtube video in [[palo alto]] about [[pattern languages]] in [[computing]]
    • [[fifteen principles]] (wikipedia)
      • shifting [[scales]] should be made without discontinuities/jumps.
        • [[twitter]]: small scale. a [[book]]: large scale.
        • how to translate ideas from [[book]] to [[tweet]]?
• how did we meet?
  • [[jonathan]] and [[me]]: [[visakanv]] list of friends per city
  • [[daniel]] and [[me]]: in [[foam]]'s [[discord]]
  • "we met through the internet"
    • is this a [[common experience]]?
      • [[me]] common around the 2000s
        • [[irc]]
        • [[icq]] "happy that chatting"
        • [[livejournal]]
      • [[jonathan-the-utopian]]
        • not really
      • [[daniel-armengol-altayo]]
• [[mathspace]] vs [[cyberspace]]
  • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] as of late, yes; would love to make something
    • interactions with technology are often frustrating though
    • [[daniel]] Q: which kinds of things would you like to build?
    • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] A: liked your sites btw :)
      • [[vewpoint]]
      • one minimal tool would like to have: take notes as a group
        • inclusivity: people shouldn't need to know [[git]] to onramp
        • [[daniel]] +1, we need people from outside the computer field
        • [[branch]] [[ampl]]
        • [[branch]] [[indieweb]] [[micropub]]
        • [[branch]] [[fedstoa]]
        • [[daniel]] how to connect both worlds?
        • "a system that allows itself to..."
    • [[open question]]
• definition of [[protopia]]
  • requires [[ethics]]
• [[core questions]] in [[mtr master konzept]]
  • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] this seems to be leading into vulnerability/psychological explorations
  • [[daniel]] is the key intent here to answer these questions for a small group or to develop a framework for other people?
    • both, but first the earlier :)
  • [[branch]] [[rational tarot]]
  • [[branch]] [[language games]]
  • [[branch]] [[wittgenstein]]
  • [[branch]] [[lyotard]]
  • [[branch]] update the [[proust questionnaire]]?
• [[jonathan-the-utopian]]: what is your background?
  • [[daniel-armengol-altayo]]
    • [[computers]] + [[design]] -> [[multimedia engineering]]
    • [[branch]] [[merveilles]] looks like a good fit
    • [[multitouch tablet]] experiment led to [[5 years]] doing [[interactive installations]]
    • became more interested in how people behaved than in the actual content of the screens/the technology
    • moved to [[art]], stopped doing commercial work, [[moved to the woods]]
      • "i want to inspire others in the same way these people are inspiring me"
    • conversations with [[xavivives]], who is more technical, led to a [[bootcamp]]
    • [[branch]] [[feedback club]]
• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] back at ya
  • [[jonathan-the-utopian]] grew up in [[california]]
    • [[swiss]] and [[us]] citizen, moved to [[switzerland]] at [[18]]
    • decided to study [[physics]], then felt the need to understand [[mathematics]] first.
    • bachelors + masters in math
    • burned out after that, atmosphere at university wasn't great
    • took [[1 year]] off
    • interested in [[social processes]]
      • [[branch]] [[santa fe institute]]
    • finally started a [[phd]] until [[february 2020]]
    • was in [[buenos aires]], dance [[tango]]
    • decided not to do a [[postdoc]], wanted to leave [[academia]]
    • applied to a program in [[zhdk]]: [[transdisciplinary studies]]
      • supposed to be connected to [[mathematical background]]
    • [[dream]] [[art space]] / [[event space]]
      • [[branch]] [[wormhole]]
      • [[branch]] [[simcity]]
• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] curious that what society understand by [[artist]] is: a person that is free to do whatever they want. [[art]] is perceived as a [[playground]].
  • personally don't want to use [[art]] as a [[goal]], but rather as a [[medium]] or [[means]] or [[channel]].
  • [[experiments]] as [[play]]
  • [[branch]] [[carnival]]
  • I like working with [[concepts]]
  • [[art]] as a [[lens]]
  • can a [[business]] be a piece of [[art]]?
    • there's non-zero overlap
  • [[branch]] [[dao]]
  • [[push]] [[artistic entrepeneurship]]
    • == [[art business]]
    • [[danielle baskin]]
• [[infrastructure]] we need
  • [[basic tools]] to share information in a better way
  • something close to a [[wiki]]
  • [[branch]] [[stoa]]
  • let's write [[user journeys]] and compare?
  • [[q]] what are our frustrations?
    • [[a]] [[jonathan-the-utopian]] would wish to have a place like discord/zulip, two level or arbitrary level tool
    • [[a]] [[digital space]] where we can write structured information
    • [[branch]] [[agora]] as a tool to get a [[communication instance]] with a given well defined [[context]]
      • [[armengolaltayo]] we need a [[representation]] of each [[entity]] in the context; an [[encoding]] or [[recording]]
• [[possible projects]]
  • [[physical]] [[spaces]] connected through the internet
  • [[interactive fiction]]
    • [[conversation trees]]
• [[daniel-armengol-altayo]] main focus is understanding how information processing happens
  • say someone sends a [[link]], like the danielle baskin website
  • depending on the format, it is more or less useful
  • [[context]] is very important
  • [[context]] for a conversation is the [[intersect]] between [[world models]] after [[transformations]]
  • you can use [[tools]] to [[augment]] certain capacities
• [[spaces]]
  • [[armengolaltayo]] [[zettelkasten]]
    • each [[note]] has [[one idea]]
• [[goals]]
  • [[decisions]]
    • [[root node]]
      • it is in [[protopoi]]
    • [[chat room]]
  • a [[place to write notes]]