📕 subnode [[@karlicoss/lisp]] in 📚 node [[lisp]]
📓 garden/karlicoss/programming/lisp.md by @karlicoss

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Ok, let's figure out why there is so much hype about lisp.

related [[programming]] [[elisp]] [[plt]] [[computing]]

[2019-10-18] What did Alan Kay mean by, "Lisp is the greatest single programming language ever designed"? | Lobsters [[lisp]]

https://lobste.rs/s/np3por/what_did_alan_kay_mean_by_lisp_is_greatest

[2019-12-04] eh, dunno feels like it's hard to appreciate Lisp now because it hasn't evolved much and concepts that were novel once are taken for granted now

[2020-01-16] Running Lisp in Production [[lisp]]

https://tech.grammarly.com/blog/running-lisp-in-production

[2019-10-23] Let Over Lambda

dunno, wasn't really impressed much…

[2021-01-01] I think it would be not that much better than prefix. Infix is easier to read, … | Hacker News [[lisp]]

The second thing is, intermediate variables makes code much more readable, but lisp strongly discourages this. The only way to create a lexical variable is with LET. But this causes indenting, which is pretty ugly. In fact, the use of indenting for both logical nesting and variable creation is a really nasty thing:

[2021-01-03] On repl-driven programming - by mikel evins [[repl]] [[lisp]]

[2021-01-08] Python for Lisp Programmers [[python]] [[lisp]]

[2021-01-01] Lisp: Common Lisp, Racket, Clojure, Emacs Lisp - Hyperpolyglot [[lisp]]

[2021-01-02] (1) Online Lisp Meeting Videos - YouTube [[lisp]] [[towatch]]

[2020-12-31] McCLIM – A powerful GUI toolkit for Common Lisp [[lisp]]

[2020-05-13] Janet: a lightweight, expressive and modern Lisp | Hacker News [[lisp]]

Okay, so when Clojure came along, it came with a strong underlying philosophy of what the language was supposed to be/do. Among them were design decisions such as, e.g.,:

  - VMs, not OSes, are the platforms of the future, so target the JVM
  - Object Orientation is overrated, but polymorphism is a good thing
  - Multi-core is here to stay, so use immutable data structures to greatly facilitate writing correct concurrent programs
  - Leverage the strengths of LISP but give it a modern overhaul (most notably, throw in different parenthesis)

[2021-01-01] Forth compiler in one literate x86 assembly file | Hacker News [[lisp]]

Syntax is of course the most obvious `backward' thing. Conceptually Lisp moves you away from the machine and closer to math, Forth stays way closer. Forth does not (normally) include a garbage collector. Naming variables is discouraged. Forth is almost untyped, Lisp is strongly-dynamically typed.

[2020-07-03] [Joshua Ebner on Twitter: "@julesh_ @paulg Honest question: What's so great about Lisp?" / Twitter](https://twitter.com/Josh_Ebner/status/1278733040181817345 ) [[lisp]]

Honest question:
What's so great about Lisp?

[2018-10-03] Scheme Lisp: feel the cool Andy Balaam Accu 2018 [[lisp]]

  • 38:46 weird code as data (define s (lsit '+ 4 7))
  • [2019-10-20] eh, very basic talk and also doesn't really communicate why scheme/lisp are cool if you're experienced with multiple languages already. Thing with numbers and mscons at the end can be done on any PL

Write a post following that common lisp post and comparing [[python]] [[lisp]]

I don't mean to offend lisp lovers or anything. I'm just desperately trying to find what's so special about lisp I don't see, so would be happy to know if you Todo missing aspect

lisp sucks: dunno, my eyes kinda hurt without explicit else keyword… [[lisp]]

hmm, maybe show visual cues for indentation level? but this requires very strict formatting rules [[lisp]]

example of thing that would be 'discouraged' in lisp (emsg) [[python]] [[lisp]]

elif isinstance(e, ImportError):
    emsg = getattr(e, 'msg', '') # make mypy happy
    if 'failed to find libmagic' in emsg: # probably the actual library is missing?...
        defensive_msg = "couldn't import magic. See https://github.com/ahupp/python-magic#installation"

[2021-02-06] [jestem króliczkiem on Twitter: "Lisp is amazing, truly language of the future "not especially malicious" https://t.co/Wvhha6CCUl" / Twitter](https://twitter.com/karlicoss/status/1358183224929902593 ) [[lisp_sucks]]

Lisp is amazing, truly language of the future
"not especially malicious"

[2021-03-15] Smug Lisp Weenie [[lisp]]

ok, great discussion here

[2021-03-20] Pascal Costanza's Highly Opinionated Guide to Lisp [[lisp]]
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