Attendees

• [[flancian]]
• [[vera]]
• [[Paul Frazee]]
• [[benhylau]]
  • gateways can censor content
• [[guo]]
  • looking at [[ipfs]] or [[hypercore]]
  • [[webmentions]] [[microformats]]
• [[sutty]]
• [[fauno]]

[[ipfs gateways]]

• [[Paul Frazee]]
  • say you're [[twitter]], 1000 users.
  • 1000 users only one using service but having to pay for storage/bandwidth of 1000 poor scaling properties
  • gateway not feasible model
  • what are the costs
  • magic of the mesh
  • serverless clients participate in network
• [[guo]]
  • gateways become the point of failure in a distributed network
• [[flancian]]
  • subsidies gateway not for profit

[[beaker]]

• social network on beaker
• got discouraged with social networks
  • came back
• people wanna be able to share around links
• didn't have push messaging system
• take advantage of social graph
• ux killer
  • people expect to get notifcations from people
  • people need to follow out of band
  • limited push message
  • aggregator service notifications
    • really close to running gateway, running a service
    • let's just use services
    • take your data and move to other "place"

[[minimum viable exchange format]]

• all these technologies converge into this
• [[indieweb]]
• [[microformats]]
• [[minimal social graph]]

  • [[guo]]

    • can be [[ipfs]] can be [[dat]]
    • have to have an aggregator, how do you know if there's new content
    • how do you do search
    • separate data aggregator and host

  • [[flancian]]

    • [[underlay project]]

  • [[Paul Frazee]]

    • [[data mesh]]
      • basically function like database
        • way for semantic
        • tables in there with universal ide (url based to find schema)
        • universal global data mesh, with global semantics
        • [[governance of the commons]]

  • [[guo]]

    • if we can determine ownership we can help with [[governance]] issue
    • if it's my data, there is no [[governance]] issue

[[commons mesh]]

• how do you end up in a situation where [[governance]] is required
• what are defaults
• sign up for first time, what's being suggested

[[fatal ambiguity]]