The precondition for this discussion is a belief in the necessity for a transition periodand a transition to communism

Marxbelieved that the statecould not be used to achieve the aims of communism during a revolution as the [[file:20210523165611-state_as_a_tool_of_class_struggle.org][character of the state was for protecting the class interests of the bourgeoisie]].

Lenin in his book The State and Revolution, elaborated on Marx#39;s ideas on the state, believing that the working class ought to smash the state and establish one that could being the transition to communism Lenin believed in a [[file:20210612163851-lower_phase_of_communism.org][lower phase of communism]] and a higher phase of communism and felt that the role of the state varied between those two phases. He then believed that by the time the latter came around, the state would wither away