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Much of this note was inspired by this episodeof Red Library.

Socialists of all stripes seem to have different measures of success.

  • Some would say that success is the horizonthat we are always striving towards. That we can never reach a perfect society but we can always work to build it better

  • Some would say that success amounts to how much popular will is considered in society, and in this regard Cubaand the Cuban Revolutionshould be considered successful

  • Some would say that success is just a measure of survival. Cubaand Chinaare successes simply because they weathered the storm that was [[file:20210204100241-the_collapse_of_the_soviet_union.org][the collapse of the Soviet Union]].

  • Conversely, one could say that the American Revolutionwas a success because of The Civil Rights Act Women's Sufferage abolition of slavery and so forth, but do any of these things move us closer to the communist horizon?

    • The US is no longer revolutionary, so perhaps it's no longer worth defending

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