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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_topology
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81

http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs468-09-fall/
hmm wonder if that does it. they mention triangulation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_(topology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_manifold

hmm that looks pretty similar… https://math.stackexchange.com/a/1792315/15108

Visualisations for SU2, manually entangling loops [[think]]

Approximate them by segments, that should work

hmm. sample random loops and then try to contract them?

[2019-02-01] my initial notes

Triangulate the manifold
then do some sort of random walk and stop at the initial point with some probability
then, do some sort of simulated annealing to transform the loops according to the certain rules.
basically, we can contract certain subpaths (or expand?) e.g. a -> b -> a can be contracted to a. unless the points are glued?
try to guess groups from equivalence classes? then try combining them and guessing against known groups?

to contract, define some sort of 'tension' function? not sure if makes sense

this is a conservative method in the sense that it can answer what your fundamental group is NOT
in a sense, fundamental group is a conservative concept too, it can answer what your topological space is NOT

triangulation, or squares?

if the point or edge is glued, treat it as special?

how to define manifolds? parametric? works for Rn Sn and Tn

somehow use van kampen's theorem?

[2019-02-01] mm. ok this ended up a bit different from what I imagined initially. still though, maybe contracting loops manually is ok, people are better at that?

basically you declare some of the loops as 'trivial', but manually

[2019-02-02] hmm. if you consider a torus, composed of two triangles, looks like all vertices are labeled in the same

however, that's not enough to classify, we should be considering edges instead?

[2019-02-01] initial python impl in <projects/fund/main.py>

pretty inefficient, should rewrite in rust for finer control. also, make multithreaded

name it 'mental' (for fundamental) instead of topology? or pione??

related [[topology]] [[viz]]

[2019-02-01] SnapPea - Wikipedia [[autopology]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SnapPea

[2019-02-10] Dynamical triangulation of the 2-torus - YouTube [[qg]] [[autopology]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3NdgSIe030

[2019-05-10] Keep it Simplex, Stupid! |   Bartosz Milewski's Programming Cafe [[autopology]]

https://bartoszmilewski.com/2018/12/11/keep-it-simplex-stupid/

summary on trying to understand triangulated fundamental group [[topology]] [[autopology]]

  • State "START" from [2019-02-21]

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1778421/fundamental-group-of-the-sphere-via-triangulation [[autopology]]

FG for the sphere

http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jsimon/COURSES/M201Fall08/HandoutsAndHomework/Graph1.pdf

most useful so far.. the idea is you construct spanning tree, choose a base point and assign all loops from base point to 1 (for each edge not in the maximal tree). does that work for higher dimensions??

klein bottle (with triangulation) https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1778465/fundamental-group-klein-bottle-triangulation

edge-path https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_group#Edge-path_group_of_a_simplicial_complex

faces in triangulation must be distinct

https://math.stackexchange.com/a/1772664/15108
https://math.stackexchange.com/a/954164/15108

make sure you don't have loop in spanning tree

https://math.stackexchange.com/a/1778957/15108

fun fact: computing fundamental group is undecidable https://mathoverflow.net/a/304484/29889 (in terms of figuring out whether it's trivial)

encode turing machines via topological spaces? lol

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1666146/fundamental-group-from-triangulation#comment3399175_1666146

look at remaining

basically, I don't understand what all they mean by subcomplex. why do they color all of it???

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2472310/finding-fundamental-group-of-simplicial-complexes

book by Armstrong, p. 134. Don't really understand the statement, it's all very vague

torus – here they mention there are quite a lot of relations…

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xwzX9h_hyMUC&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22fundamental+group%22+triangulation+spanning+tree&source=bl&ots=m9NZ4m5lP4&sig=ACfU3U0epWUJDPHbx_RBUiq6uoTL6Zhj6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhqcrXr7HgAhXwIjQIHbVmD10Q6AEwBXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22fundamental%20group%22%20triangulation%20spanning%20tree&f=false
book: simplicial structure by ferrario, p.202
right, apparently to compute really effeciently we need van kampen theorem..

[2019-02-10] at.algebraic topology - Algorithm for computing fundamental group of simplicial complexes - MathOverflow

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/304481/algorithm-for-computing-fundamental-group-of-simplicial-complexes 

Kruskal's algorithm will give you a maximal tree, and after that the presentation just involves listing the remaining edges as generators, and listing the relations that come from the 2-simplices. I don't really see anything interesting going on algorithmically once you've selected a maximal tree.

[2019-02-10] at.algebraic topology - Algorithm for computing fundamental group of simplicial complexes - MathOverflow

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/304481/algorithm-for-computing-fundamental-group-of-simplicial-complexes 

Depends on what you mean by "computing" and "algorithm". It is undecidable (even for a two-complex) whether the fundamental group is trivial, though computing a presentation is relatively easy.
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