Jeff Tang

• Q: What do you need?
  • Let's talk more!
• Q: would publishing Athens to web be useful? Agora
  • wikilinks with brackets, broadcast to all digital gardens participating
• Q: How does [[Athens]] fit in the wider ecosystem?
  • A: unfortunately not lots of collaboration.
  • A: some chats with [[Foam]] and [[logseq]]. logseq have the most in common; they use clojurescript/datascript.
  • A: it's probably too hard to merge projects or come up with a shared vision.
  • A: coordination cost is high. Expected value is not very high in the immediate. We are all trying to be successful, then
• A coordination problem
  • Civilization suffers from it. We need to believe that it can be solved, but it's unclear how to go about it.
  • Most recent examples of successful standards come from crypto. In the crypto space you have open protocols, a few companies work exclusively on exchanges and interop.
• W3C standard: would you be happy if that happened?
  • Jeff: Yes! But does everyone want that? Coordination again.
  • [[logseq]] started one month before [[Athens]]; similar number of contributors. Wanted to partner with them, we had an agreement. First a standard, then perhaps even merging; we had similar visions, were using similar technologies.
  • Coordinating was considered too difficult in the end at this stage.
• Hub-like standard? Periphery. Hypothesis: multiplayer is key. Hub provides multiplayer, a social graph.
  • Beautiful but very idealistic.
  • A: I'm also very pragmatic though.
• Social knowledge graphs
• Look up: [[Nate Liason]] -- "effortless output in Roam". More for beginners.
  • He has published his brain: https://www.nateliason.com/brain

TODO

• Read about [[Nate Liason]]
• Check out [[logseq]]
• Work on [[agora-protocol]]